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Post by PompeyFC on May 24, 2005 22:32:16 GMT 10
I think its about time some of the senior supporters should step forward and take charge. e.g. the people with some of the most posts are veterans, the admins, some of the older (age) lads. I feel we could have resolved some of the naming issues earlier if we had a head.
Maybe have 3 - 5 people who are willing to give some of their time to the cause. They could then make decisions that people would listen to. e.g. deciding on where we should meet up and what time etc for a pub crawl, or communicating with Sydney FC on behalf of all of us instead of every Tom, Dick or Harrold sending posts to WB. Im sure he wont but he may take what one person says as what we all believe.
We probably should have a poll but I think the people who are in contention know who they are. Yes Nedstaaa dont try and hide.
What'dya guys reckon?
I think it will help our groups organisation and then we could be taken more seriously!
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Post by takahashi on May 24, 2005 22:51:20 GMT 10
pompeyfc - i understand what your trying to get at. if we had a leader that would make a definitive call on behalf of everyone then decisions would be made quicker without having to stuff around with millions of posts.....
but quoting Padmea (Star Wars II: Attack of the Clones)...."that sounds awefully like a dictatorship to me".
i kinda prefer democratic way we are working now where everyone gets their say. it might take a million and one posts to get there but i think that's all part of the fun.
by the way in relation to the "group name" check out the "new name suggestion" thread by Wands.
which illustrates my point, even though it took a while to come up with a name we eventually came up with a pretty decent name i think. if we had a leader step in and made a decision for us we may have well been stuck with "The Push" or something (crappy) like that....
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Post by PompeyFC on May 24, 2005 23:09:30 GMT 10
Fair enough point. The leaders wouldnt be there to chose names or things like that. They could maybe allow us to do it in a different maner. For e.g. setting up polls and setting up starting and closing dates as well. Its more so for organisation.
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Post by martyp on May 24, 2005 23:10:20 GMT 10
i agree with u pompey fc...... we do need a bit of leadership for now as we are taking years to make some simple decisions..... even if we did pick some leaders it could and most probably would change by the end of the season as we would all know each other alot better and we would know the right people to lead us!!!!!
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Post by Factor on May 25, 2005 9:06:10 GMT 10
It wouldn't be a dictatorship if it the leadership party was determined by the members.
Have them re-elected prior to each season to keep them honest.
I helped set up The Burrow if anyone needs any help sorting things like this out.
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Post by Anfield_Au on May 25, 2005 9:09:35 GMT 10
I think this thread ties in tightly with the
"Supporters group money "kitty"" thread
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Post by marinermick on May 25, 2005 9:53:33 GMT 10
The Marinators have chosen not to formalise for the following reasons:
- We do not want to generate a membership fee or generate funds as this means we must formalise i.e. we need to develop a constitiution, vote office bearers, keep official documents and make sure our members have access of minutes and are informed of meetings. This is both cumbersome and opens the group up to all sorts of political in-fighting.
- We do not want a formal structure as we want individuals to be able to critcise the club if needs be.
- We do not want a formal structure because the action of an individual, especially when pissed on game day, could have the consequences of affecting the whole, hence opening us up to legal ramifications. Being non-formal the individual can always be blamed instead of the group.
- As office bearers you are legally responsible for the group and ALL actions within that group.
- As office bearers of an unincorporated body you are liable for all debts the organisation may incur - how well do you know the other office bearers?
- As basically the main - IT IS WAY TOO MUCH WORK that invariably gets left to one or two individuals who ultimately gets pissed off and leave.
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Post by jubal1 on May 25, 2005 10:27:18 GMT 10
The Marinators have chosen not to formalise for the following reasons: - We do not want to generate a membership fee or generate funds as this means we must formalise i.e. we need to develop a constitiution, vote office bearers, keep official documents and make sure our members have access of minutes and are informed of meetings. This is both cumbersome and opens the group up to all sorts of political in-fighting. - We do not want a formal structure as we want individuals to be able to critcise the club if needs be. - We do not want a formal structure because the action of an individual, especially when pissed on game day, could have the consequences of affecting the whole, hence opening us up to legal ramifications. Being non-formal the individual can always be blamed instead of the group. - As office bearers you are legally responsible for the group and ALL actions within that group. - As office bearers of an unincorporated body you are liable for all debts the organisation may incur - how well do you know the other office bearers? - As basically the main - IT IS WAY TOO MUCH WORK that invariably gets left to one or two individuals who ultimately gets pissed off and leave. what he said |
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Post by Tancred on May 25, 2005 11:32:47 GMT 10
The Marinators have chosen not to formalise for the following reasons: - We do not want to generate a membership fee or generate funds as this means we must formalise i.e. we need to develop a constitiution, vote office bearers, keep official documents and make sure our members have access of minutes and are informed of meetings. This is both cumbersome and opens the group up to all sorts of political in-fighting. - We do not want a formal structure as we want individuals to be able to critcise the club if needs be. - We do not want a formal structure because the action of an individual, especially when pissed on game day, could have the consequences of affecting the whole, hence opening us up to legal ramifications. Being non-formal the individual can always be blamed instead of the group. - As office bearers you are legally responsible for the group and ALL actions within that group. - As office bearers of an unincorporated body you are liable for all debts the organisation may incur - how well do you know the other office bearers? - As basically the main - IT IS WAY TOO MUCH WORK that invariably gets left to one or two individuals who ultimately gets pissed off and leave. I was part of the Northern Spirit committee and it quickly became a right pain in the arse. I agree with everything I have quoted above. |
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Post by Nedstaaa on May 25, 2005 12:46:53 GMT 10
The reason i think we should have a commitee is because if we dont it will become a complete shambles, and certain people will dominate without any authority.
Eg. To be honest, at the moment i have the best links with the club and they club know me so i am sort of the representative at the moment. The problem if it keeps going on like this is that i will have to make a lot of decisions based on my own oppinion, rather than a group consensus, which to be honest will creat problems.
No official supporters group, but i think a commitee should happen, and i know the club wants it to happen.
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Post by blueandwhite on May 26, 2005 21:40:08 GMT 10
The reason i think we should have a commitee is because if we dont it will become a complete shambles, and certain people will dominate without any authority. Eg. To be honest, at the moment i have the best links with the club and they club know me so i am sort of the representative at the moment. The problem if it keeps going on like this is that i will have to make a lot of decisions based on my own oppinion, rather than a group consensus, which to be honest will creat problems. No official supporters group, but i think a commitee should happen, and i know the club wants it to happen. what Ned said....... (hey that rhymes)...... without some sort of structure... however formal/informal..... the potential is there for either a) nothing to be done due to the shambles that results when hundreds of people have hundreds of things to say; b) those with "presence" or links to the club steamroll everyone else or c) there is no "broadly representative" group who the club can bounce ideas off, and can act as a conduit for feedback from the fans to the club hierarchy..... And a lot of big supporter groups around the world tend to have quite formal structures.... to cover the above points, and to ensure accountability |
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Post by zack on May 27, 2005 16:46:31 GMT 10
So does the 'leader' get a cool megaphone too?  |
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Post by Conrad on May 27, 2005 17:10:36 GMT 10
Is it time for leadership? I dont even know anyone...  |
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Post by Adz on May 27, 2005 18:50:01 GMT 10
na na na na, na na na na, lea-der!
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Post by ZULU LOZ - BCFC on May 28, 2005 10:02:06 GMT 10
I agree their needsto be Leadership. I think we should arrange a meet in the city for all supports to come and discuss this. Prior to making any decisions. We should post a poll to set up a time & place. Anyone intrested in Leading the supports group can come and lodge their intrest. Talking on these threads is good but this decsion needs beer and discussion in person. Does anyone agree ? Ned - As per my e-mail sent to you last week. Loz "Leader of Sydney Soccer Specials"  SSS 4 Ever I think its about time some of the senior supporters should step forward and take charge. e.g. the people with some of the most posts are veterans, the admins, some of the older (age) lads. I feel we could have resolved some of the naming issues earlier if we had a head. Maybe have 3 - 5 people who are willing to give some of their time to the cause. They could then make decisions that people would listen to. e.g. deciding on where we should meet up and what time etc for a pub crawl, or communicating with Sydney FC on behalf of all of us instead of every Tom, Dick or Harrold sending posts to WB. Im sure he wont but he may take what one person says as what we all believe. We probably should have a poll but I think the people who are in contention know who they are. Yes Nedstaaa dont try and hide. What'dya guys reckon? I think it will help our groups organisation and then we could be taken more seriously! |
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