SUPPORTERS GROUP NAME POLL!!!!!!

[Solskjaer]

Blue Label!

[HarbourClanBoy]

look guys i doubt if we can be ultras for the simple reason the australian society doesnt accept fireworks. plus i think the way we support in australia is more towards english way.which i like better anyway.
i think the push is quite a unique name that associates us with sydney,anything else would be copying andwont be natural.
cheers

[serb01]

Conrad said:

We dont have to imitate anyone all i'm saying is to think about the name. Do u really want a w**ky name like bling or push?

serbo01 ur just a kid, who cares if anyones been to a big name or not, wat makes u the expert, is it because u have been to one partizan v zvezda derby? Like micheal said, syd fans should have their own style which i'm sure they will do. As for ultras, firms, casuals, hooligans, crews etc etc

its bound to happen...

i never said i was an expert..i was saying that the help of expierience ppl would b helpfull..do guys wanna b feared or laughed?? just think of something good already that ppl will like..im 18 yrs old n the only big game i went to was zvezda - partizan in 01..i watched a zvezda supporter die infront of me..im not trying to b an expert in anyway just saying what i think..i dont not consider myself one at all..but we all have to start somewhere..just get this poll over n done with a have a name this is starting to shit me

[serb01]

jubal1 said:

As to how wanky the name is or isn't you're entitled to your opinon, to me there's nothing more wanky than wannabe hooligans.

Ultras, firms, casuals etc, I seriously doubt there's either the will or the numbers to sustain anything other than a few deluded teenage posers. Lets face it, if they want a ruck they can follow an NSW permier league team.

I for one don't want to see that particular pestilence take root here. I saw and experienced more than enough of that shit back home.

its only a name..we can imitate them with choreohraphy..banners and tifo's not with fighting..nothing says that if we r called any of those names that we have to fight like idiots

[jubal1]

serb01 said:

its only a name..we can imitate them with choreohraphy..banners and tifo's not with fighting..nothing says that if we r called any of those names that we have to fight like idiots

You just won't hear whats being said will you?

OK let me try to explain it in a way that might actually penetrate that blindly optimistic brain of yours.

Have you ever heard of guilt by association?

Its when people assume that you like/do/are certain things because of the people you are with/places you go/clothes you wear.

If people saw you going into a gay bar every friday night, they would assume that you were gay, even if they never saw you kissing other guys, even if you took a girl in with you, even if you were working there.

If our supporters group takes on the Ultras name, the majority of people will assume that like so many Ultras we are violent thugs, no matter what we say, no matter if they never see us do anything remotely anti-social.

Got it?, I really, really, really hope so. if not then I truly truly give up.

and for the last time, why in the name of the tears of baby jesus would we want to imitate anyone else?, is your generation so bereft of imagination and self-worth that you can't imagine creating something original, do you have to have everything bottle-fed to you?

Try to think Serb01, thinking is so....... important.

[albs]

I don't want take any sides or anything in this conversation, but just wanted to add to the last post:

- if we adopt names associated with idiot groups from around europe, my opinion is that even if the original crowd aren't knobs, from the name association knobs will probably start to think it's their kind of group and start gathering. The message we should portray as peaceful multicultural Australians is that there's absolutely no way in for these idiots. The last thing we want is for knobs (note that it's only a minority, I can personally prove from the friends I have that there are intelligent Serbs and smart Croats) from Sydney United start making a mess at our games.
- we don't necessarily have to be feared. I'd rather teams fear our team rather than our supporters. We're not thugs and there's no need for people to see us as such. I'd much rather Newcastle fans pop down for a derby and we'd be able to sit down for a beer.

[serb01]

jubal1 said:

and for the last time, why in the name of the tears of baby jesus would we want to imitate anyone else?, is your generation so bereft of imagination and self-worth that you can't imagine creating something original, do you have to have everything bottle-fed to you?

Try to think Serb01, thinking is so....... important.

r u stupid or something? imitation in what football supporters do all over the world..not f**king imitating what they write or say or sing..doing a banner is not a f**king imitation..doing a tifo is not a f**king imitation..if u guys r just gonna b sitting there drinking beers at the games then get f**ked and call urselves whatever u want..but if u want to at least have some RESPECT from fellow supporter groups then what i said in IMITATING what european groups do with banners n tifos ect is good..what do u not understand about that?? iv said it simply enough..forget about ULTRAS im obviously wrong...pusite mi kurac...but is it hard to understand that when im saying imitation, im saying in what supporter groups do in europe..banners..tifos ECT..forget the term "ultras"

[jubal1]

serb01 said:

r u stupid or something? imitation in what football supporters do all over the world..not f**king imitating what they write or say or sing..doing a banner is not a f**king imitation..doing a tifo is not a f**king imitation..if u guys r just gonna b sitting there drinking beers at the games then get f**ked and call urselves whatever u want..but if u want to at least have some RESPECT from fellow supporter groups then what i said in IMITATING what european groups do with banners n tifos ect is good..what do u not understand about that?? iv said it simply enough..forget about ULTRAS im obviously wrong...pusite mi kurac...but is it hard to understand that when im saying imitation, im saying in what supporter groups do in europe..banners..tifos ECT..forget the term "ultras"

So you're saying lets have some big kick arse banners and fireworks, sounds reasonable, that is the first time you've bothered to explain what you mean (or you've changed your tune, I don't care which), although I doubt if fireworks would be allowed in any stadium in Oz and personally flares get on my tits.

As far as gaining the respect of other supporters or sitting around drinking beer during the game, if you'd been to either of the Gosford games, you'd know better than to talk such shit.

At the second game in particular the 50 or so who showed up gave 5 x that number of "Masturbators" a good run for their money in the noise stakes and we dis have some banners, no fireworks or flares, but a couple of guys had cigarette lighters if that counts.

There's hope for you yet

[takahashi]

jubal1 said:

You just won't hear whats being said will you?

OK let me try to explain it in a way that might actually penetrate that blindly optimistic brain of yours.

Have you ever heard of guilt by association?

Its when people assume that you like/do/are certain things because of the people you are with/places you go/clothes you wear.

If people saw you going into a gay bar every friday night, they would assume that you were gay, even if they never saw you kissing other guys, even if you took a girl in with you, even if you were working there.

If our supporters group takes on the Ultras name, the majority of people will assume that like so many Ultras we are violent thugs, no matter what we say, no matter if they never see us do anything remotely anti-social.

Got it?, I really, really, really hope so. if not then I truly truly give up.

and for the last time, why in the name of the tears of baby jesus would we want to imitate anyone else?, is your generation so bereft of imagination and self-worth that you can't imagine creating something original, do you have to have everything bottle-fed to you?

Try to think Serb01, thinking is so....... important.

here, here!!

well said

no - gangy, try hard homie in the hood, ethnic, names please - these are not an image we want to project to the public of ourselves....i want (and am hoping) the new a-league to present itself as an all inclusive league attracting australians of all backgrounds off the field and demonstrating skill and fair play on field.

frank lowie and co. have to date done a magnificent job fixing up football in australia and we do not want to do anything that would undo all their good work and take football back to the bad old nsl days characterised by poor standard of football, amateurism, ethnic rivalries, etc.

so the image we project to the public is very important and choosing a suitable supporters name is a big part of building that positive image we want to project.... so yeah no try hard gangster or ethnic shit names please.

still thinking of a name......

cheers.

btw// im an AUSSIE of asian decent ok - just in case anyone is offended by my objections to ethnic names in our supporter group name.

[serb01]

jubal1 said:

So you're saying lets have some big kick arse banners and fireworks, sounds reasonable, that is the first time you've bothered to explain what you mean (or you've changed your tune, I don't care which), although I doubt if fireworks would be allowed in any stadium in Oz and personally flares get on my tits.

As far as gaining the respect of other supporters or sitting around drinking beer during the game, if you'd been to either of the Gosford games, you'd know better than to talk such shit.

At the second game in particular the 50 or so who showed up gave 5 x that number of "Masturbators" a good run for their money in the noise stakes and we dis have some banners, no fireworks or flares, but a couple of guys had cigarette lighters if that counts.

There's hope for you yet

i didnt mention fireworks because i know they r not accepted here at games which is shit..well flares add more but anyways..i was just asking if u guys were those type which were planning on sitting around and drinking beer..which by the sounds of it ur not which is good..but what do the sydney fc fans intend on doing?? what it our goal?? support our team to the fullest of course but fanwise..? good banners and songs set up?? reckon we can get a tifo up for our first home game??? but we need certain numbers for that so organising that now would b a good idea

[jubal1]

Haaa, I can't imagine you having any luck with organizing anything, but by all means go for it.

We had enough trouble getting across the street from the CC Leagues club and into the same bay at Gosford, think noisy disorganized rabble.

I think the style is likely to be more UK than Euro, spontaneous singing & chants, and severe piss-taking of opposition players & fans, lots of beer, lots of laughs, nothing too serious.

[Michael]

I hope I'm the first person to die at a Sydney FC game...that'll show lots of people I don't know and whose opinion I don't care about, what a Hardcore supporter I am!

Haven't different people said the exact same thing over and over regarding this issue? It's like there are two camps. On the one hand, we seem to have the (somewhat juvenile?) variety who want to associate themselves with the colour and the flare of so-called "Ultra" groups (and all the violent connotations that come with them).

And on the other, we have those that point out that any connotation to these groups (through names like "Ultra," "curva" and "crew" etc.) can easily blow up in Sydney FC and its supporters faces.

Just watch how many people (like me) are turned away by kind of connection with the idiotic term "Ultras..."

[serb01]

Michael said:

Just watch how many people (like me) are turned away by kind of connection with the idiotic term "Ultras..."

get over the ultras point mate..its not happening..move on

has anyone stepped upto the plate n wanted to take leadership or something? or a group of guys wanting to take leadership? i would love to organise a tifo but not without the support of others and a guaranteed ok crowd so that it can actually go ahead..we need some ppl at the top

[Michael]

serb01 said:

get over the ultras point mate..its not happening

serb01 said:

i would love to organise a tifo

I wish Craig Reucassel was here with his "THIS PERSON VOTES!" caption.

[jubal1]

serb01 said:

get over the ultras point mate..its not happening..move on

has anyone stepped upto the plate n wanted to take leadership or something? or a group of guys wanting to take leadership? i would love to organise a tifo but not without the support of others and a guaranteed ok crowd so that it can actually go ahead..we need some ppl at the top

Sounds like a topic for a new thread, but you'll need to explain what a tifo is, and what it involves, how many people and what materials you need as well as planning the tifo itself, rehersals, props, dress rehersals, access to the stadium to test it out, negotiation with stadium security, collecting money for the materials, accounting for the money collected, liaison with Sydney FC marketing to ensure that the people doing the tifo are seated in the correct locations, and probably a few other things I havent thought of..

And given that we can't decide on something as simple as a frigging name I wish you much luck, you'll need it.

I'm not knocking you or your ideas Serb01, I applaud your enthusiasm but the reality is that your idea is probably 1-2 seasons premature, for people to work together they need to know and trust each other, as a group we haven't even begun to gel yet.

My advice, organize a 'tifo team' for people who are like-minded, come up with some ideas and plans, then present it to the rest of the group to see what they think, remember that if your actions are on behalf of the group, then they have to be ok with it. This will let you know the level of interest in what you want to do, both in terms of participants, and in terms of what the group thinks.

My opinion is that if it doesn't obstruct my view of the game in progress and I don't have to hold anything heavier than a beer above my head, I can live with it.