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Post by PompeyFC on Jun 3, 2005 8:15:34 GMT 10
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Post by Tancred on Jun 3, 2005 8:54:42 GMT 10
We don't actually have the stadia at the moment. To host the WC you need 8 40K+ stadiums and only one city can have two of them Lets say they relax the rules to allow two cities to have two (Sydney and Melbourne).
After Sydney 2000 FIFA was not that happy about the stadiums used for the football. Brisbane was the concern. The original bid had the football being played at a redeveloped Lang park. Problems moved it to the cricket stadium and so the redevelopment did not benefit football at all.
After Japan/Korea in 2002 along with the recomendation never to have two nations hast the event was a call for more football stadiums to be used. (Japan built several grounds with running tracks, yet after the world cup only football teams are actually using these stadiums)
So, we need 8 stadiums, and could probably get away with using *one* cricket ground.
Brisbane - Suncorp - 52,579 no problems here Newcastle - EnergyAustralia - 26,126 needs 15K at least Sydney - SFS - 40,792 - no problems here - Homebush - 83,500 - no problems here Canberra - Stade de Bruce - 24,647 - needs 15K at least Melbourne - Docklands - 56,347 no problems here as long as the moveable seats can actually move. - MCG - 100,000 no problems here Adelaide - Hindmarsh - 15,000 needs 25K more seats Perth - Glorys ground - 35K (in a few years) so would need another 5K
So there we have it. The 9 possible grounds. Will the money be found for the needed upgrades? Will FIFA allow Sydney and Melbourne to host two grounds each?
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Post by PompeyFC on Jun 3, 2005 9:24:16 GMT 10
Yup i think its really possible. Its 12 years away. I think by that stage government and investors would be falling over themselves to put $$$ in football (they are sort of doing it at the moment). I think the federal government would grant FFA $50 mill or so to upgrade all the stadiums. The overflow effect on the economy of hosting the Cup would far surpass the $50mil they would have invested in the first place. By 2010 I think the A-League will be the premier sporting league in Australia so people wouldnt think twice in throwing some Bling into Fuzball.
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Post by BigRed on Jun 3, 2005 11:32:45 GMT 10
I think the point about the stadiums is a very valid one.
Sydney and Brisbane are fine, as they already have large stadiums for the two rugby codes. However, whilst Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth all have stadiums large enough, but they're the wrong shape:
MCG - (I've been there for a football game, and whilst a great stadium, it is terrible for our code as you are too far away from the action; I thought it was great for AFL though).
AAMI Stadium in Adelaide - capacity is almost 50,000, but same problem as above.
Subiaco in Perth - ditto, although a better football ground, as it isn't so much circular as oval shaped. Perhaps this could be the impetus for ME Stadium to be increased further in size (they were originally talking about a 40,000+ capacity when Perth Oval was first redeveloped into a rectangular stadium)
The question then turns to which cities will get new stadiums, and which will get upgraded. I'd imagine the following are possibilities for upgrades (as they are home to rectangular sports):
Newcastle Townsville Canberra Gold Coast (due to get a rectangular stadium in the next couple years anyway)
If the A-League takes off, then perhaps there will be the impetus for large(r) rectangular stadiums in Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide, but otherwise they'll struggle.
Possibly also Geelong or Wollongong, but can't really see any other regional centres hosting games. Tasmania was fine for the rugby world cup, but a 40,000+ seat stadium there would rapidly become a white elephant.
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Post by Tancred on Jun 3, 2005 13:39:19 GMT 10
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Post by Der Kaiser on Jun 3, 2005 13:55:37 GMT 10
We wont get the World Cup until Australia can qualify for the World Cup themselves. If we had qualified for the past few World Cups then I bet we would be staring Australia 2006 in the face!
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Post by Tommo on Jun 3, 2005 23:48:09 GMT 10
Australia 2018 ;D-Now dosn't that have a nice little ring to it? ;D Nothing more than a pipe dream at the moment though, but (considering noone in Oceania has the ability to host such a huge event) the rotation system really could work in our favour. Here's hoping anyway. With regards to stadia, I really don't think it'd be an issue (especially when you consider that a large proportion of Stadia for WC2002 and even Deutsland 2006 were built from scratch).
Consider it, we only need 8 quality venues- Aussie, Telstra, Suncorp, Docklands and MCG are all modern, world class and good to go (ok MCG's an oval but are they really gonna refuse a 100,000 seat cauldron?). Which means Hindmarsh and M.E need to be upgraded-easily done considering their relatively simple, open designs, and a new one has to be built somewhere else. Or they could just give CC or Newcastle a facelift (or even redevelop the Breaker's old ground)-which again wouldn't be too much of a problem. So three or at the most four stadium upgrades-no worries! Especialy compared to the billions of dollars Korea and Japan spent building new stadia...
We live in hope I guess ;D Might help if we actually qualified for one before bidding to host it too...
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Post by mentalalien2002 on Jun 4, 2005 10:19:22 GMT 10
Oh no..this Asia move better not kill us off in the rotation system
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Post by Tommo on Jun 4, 2005 10:42:28 GMT 10
Oh no..this Asia move better not kill us off in the rotation system I don't really don't think that's anything to worry about-under the rotation system it would technically be Oceania's turn to host it-but in all of Oceania there are only two stadiums remotaly suitable for World Cup use (Eden park in Auckland and Jade Stadium in Christchurch)-and even they're both ovals Which means it would be the turn of Asia or CONCACAF again (2002-Korea/Japan, 2006-Deutsland, 2010-Sth Africa, 2014-Apparently guaranteed to be Brazil)...Plus we could definately market ourselves as better representing Oceania than any other nation
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Post by Tommo on Jun 4, 2005 10:43:40 GMT 10
double post
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Post by derfunkmeister on Jun 7, 2005 23:43:07 GMT 10
Why have only 8 stadiums for the 2018 World Cup. I think anything up to 16 would be viable, as follows; Sydney - SFS (42,000), Telstra (83,000) Melbourne - TD (56,000), MCG (100,000) Brisbane - Suncorp (52,000) Adelaide - Hindmarsh (redeveloped to 40-50,000) Perth - MES (redeveloped to 40-50,000) And redevelop or build stadiums in Canberra, Newcastle Central Coast, Wollongong, Townsville, Gold Coast, Hobart, Geelong and Darwin, each with a 30-45,000 capacity.
The WC can be used as the impetus to have A-League teams in all these cities, or give them world-class stadia if they're already in. If 40,000+ capacities are too big for permanent use, then they can be designed to have reduced capacities afterwards, a la the Olympic Stadium.
Also, Australia's bidding for the 2011 Asia Cup, which could be good preparation for the World Cup.
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Post by PompeyFC on Jun 8, 2005 9:06:06 GMT 10
I reckon we would get massive crowds for an Asian Cup in Autralia. Think of all the Koreans, chinese, Japanese, middles easterners that reside here. It would be a bordello of football.
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Post by marinermick on Jun 8, 2005 9:36:04 GMT 10
I reckon we would get massive crowds for an Asian Cup in Autralia. Think of all the Koreans, chinese, Japanese, middles easterners that reside here. It would be a bordello of football. mmm... bordello of football sounds like when labrozetta was in charge and he was entertaining the oceania reps
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Post by PompeyFC on Jun 8, 2005 11:37:57 GMT 10
LoL Asian Massage Beauties ! AMB !
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Post by tim on Jun 8, 2005 20:24:51 GMT 10
it cost alot more than $5 so imagine how long they were loved for
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