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Post by marinermick on Jun 14, 2005 18:26:22 GMT 10
For some reason I've always wanted to see Dukes and Milicic start for Australia. I reckon given time they'd be a great partnership. Both are strong target man and intellegent players given the chance to work with each other I reckon they'd well. there's nothing intelligent about milicic speak to the bloke hahahaha, or dukes for that matter thank god they are "intelligent" footballers
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Post by riverrat on Jun 14, 2005 20:28:39 GMT 10
How many other coaches from other countries would pick a striker with such a bad record and hasn't kicked a ball in 6 months? This is a common trend amongst Aus football people. Newsflash: WE ARE NOT BRAZIL, or Spain, or England or any other top tier football nation. I don't rejoice in this fact....in truth it shits me and I want desperately for it to be otherwise, but it is reality. Australia doesn't have the depth to leave a Viduka out of its team. In any event, it would be madness to do so anyway. His ability to open up teams is invaluable at this level. It's that touch of brilliance that makes the difference. And its not like we have a Shearer knocking at the door. So does every team in the world. It ain't that easy. Who do you advocate? Aloisi, Zdrillic, Sterjovski Thompson.... I have never had the feeling that when these players take the pitch, they will be deadly(admittedly, Cullina and Thompson have potential and need to be explored further). Maybe some of these guys could step up and be a goal poachers, but I simply cannot see them being good enough to push ot Viduka any time soon..... simple fact is, I know I feel a lot more confident about winning when Viduka is playing. Who is better?
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Post by ROBSTA on Jun 14, 2005 23:54:06 GMT 10
how can anyone say dukes should be dropped even sum1 wif half a brain wouldnt say that. at leeds he was scoring great goals he was a proven goal scorer there and now at boro he was doing good up until he got injured. fair enough for australia he hasnt been scoring but for f**ks sake watch the games hes played first dont just look at the stats.each time i see him play for australia he just isnt lucky enough to get a chance to score hes always setting the goals up and no1 in return sets him up.so i wuldnt blame him not for scoring cos if u assist then that means u created the goal.isnt that just as important as scoring the goal wifout the creater u got no goal... and about him playing on his own up front ITS FARINA'S FAULT not dukes no australian striker can have a good game on his own up front not even the some of the best footballers in the world are good in that position cos it sucks and farina sucks too. now if we had a shearer or a henry or ronaldo then yeh id say drop him but we dont have them we got aloise,thompson,drillic,agostino ect ect and viduka is easily better then any of them.simply parter viduka with one of them.dont drop him!
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Post by bay23=bobstand in disguise on Jun 15, 2005 17:25:29 GMT 10
riverrat, you've put alot of thought into this, and I appreciate your points. But I just can't agree.
You asked me who i'd prefer? I would prefer Aloisi in there actually, or even give a youngster a go like Scott Macdonald (He WAS injured but would have been able to play at the confed cup-he was completely overlooked by Farina). I'd even give a guy like Danny invincible a crack. (currently at kilmarnock I think), but I WOULD NOT put in a UNPROVEN striker at the international level who has not kicked a ball in 6 months.
Kewell and Bresciano are my picks as the best players we've produced in the modern era. Feel confident when they play.
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Post by tim on Jun 15, 2005 17:51:21 GMT 10
how can you have confidence in a front man who takes 20 odd games to score his first international goal? you cant!
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Post by STUPIDf*g**t on Jun 15, 2005 19:15:31 GMT 10
how can you have confidence in a front man who takes 20 odd games to score his first international goal? you cant! Your right. Bring back Clayton Zane
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Post by ROBSTA on Jun 15, 2005 23:37:56 GMT 10
i have confidence cos i can see wat hes done at club level thats how. just curious so viduka is shit cos hes a striker that doesnt score as much as we'd all like him too.does that make berkamp a shit striker say wen he was 30 yrs old.i wouldnt call him shit.hes a great player but also didnt score much...now im not saying viduka is as good as berkamp im just saying its not just the goals that count like i said b4 assisting is just as important. and everyones saying how much goals viduka has scored plz show me the stats of other strikers whoever u think should be in the squad dont remember any other aust striker being a prolific goal scorer and plz dont count goals against oceania oposition. i do agree mcdonal should be in but dont forget we need 2 strikers up front so by saying viduka should be dropped that means u place him behind atleast 2 aust strikers.now name 2 strikers u would pick infront of viduka for the world cup qualifiers?
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Post by tim on Jun 16, 2005 16:55:24 GMT 10
our mate andy p gave the stat on duke's scoring for australia. he scores 1 goal every 8 starts. just not good enough at international level. i agree that he is a good striker at club level. he just cant step up! aloisi is my first choice and i believe that agostino, zdrilic and mcdonald are above dukes in the pecking order im sure if they had as much opportunities as dukes has had they would have been much more prolific
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Post by WyomingTiger on Jun 16, 2005 17:30:31 GMT 10
You asked me who i'd prefer? I would prefer Aloisi in there actually, or even give a youngster a go like Scott Macdonald (He WAS injured but would have been able to play at the confed cup-he was completely overlooked by Farina). I'd even give a guy like Danny invincible a crack. (currently at kilmarnock I think), but I WOULD NOT put in a UNPROVEN striker at the international level who has not kicked a ball in 6 months. If Scott McDonald played in this formation he would be murdered. As with most of the other guys. Aloisi did great to finish against Germany but lacked the presence to come deeper and get possession when we needed it in the second half. Viduka is a great foil and given a partner who compliments his qualities there are plenty of goals to be had. The problem is the 4-3-3 we have, or the Kewell formation as it should be called. It's only there to fit Harry in well, and he never plays! We need two up front, because at the moment, we are compensating with 4 midfielders needing to always go forward to support the striker leaving no cover at the back. Viduka is fine if he is played properly. What's unproven about Viduka that is more proven by one of the other strikers?
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Post by riverrat on Jun 16, 2005 18:28:02 GMT 10
Agree about trying others. But there is no reason for Viduka to be pushed out of the team, for (a) he's a class player and (b) we should be playing a 4-4-2 anyway (but that's another story).
You say you don't want Viduka coz he's an unproven (I guess your coming from the angle that he's not match fit, but he's worth the punt.... we need all the class we can to open up Argentina). Yet advocate a bunch of rookies to step up?
What's with everyone's infatuation with Aloisi? Today's game against Germany was the first time I have ever seen him do ANYTHING. Previously, he's just had a poor touch and minimal presence up front. Yep, agreed, today he did well..... but he's hardly proven himself in my book. He's worth more time and could be a deadly finisher for us, but he hasn't become the messiah just yet. Cullina is a much better bet for me..... only was on for 10min, but it was clear he had a touch and vision. He got pushed off the ball too easily, but he has immense potential, and probably will be the one to step up in the next year of two.
....BUT
Having watched THAT defensive effort this morning, I think there are much bigger concerns than our final third at the moment *sigh*
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Post by Rc on Jun 17, 2005 10:50:58 GMT 10
He's proven he can play. He was a massive hit with the Leeds fans but hasn't had the best of runs at burrah with injuries.
Strong in the air, great touch and a good finisher. Why he doesn't reproduce it for Australia in terms of goals is a bit of a mystery, but I think his inconsistancy is a mental thing more than anything else. When he's on, he's fantastic. Will never forget those 4 goals against L'pool.
At his peak there at Leeds, he would've been considered a 'world class' striker by many an expert. He was attracting attention from some of the biggest clubs in Europe. Inter, Real Madrid and even Man U at one point I believe? He's certainly not past it in terms of age and I believe he'll regain form at burrah eventually, given the chance.
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